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		<title>By: tekx &#8211; my thoughts &#171; Internet Strategy Guide</title>
		<link>http://codeanthem.latchbabies.com/blog/2010/05/gurus-rockstars-and-ninjas-oh-my/comment-page-1/#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>tekx &#8211; my thoughts &#171; Internet Strategy Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#039;m not talking about being that kind of rock star but about Rock Band (which we&#039;ll talk about later). In retrospect, I don&#039;t know what I was [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#39;m not talking about being that kind of rock star but about Rock Band (which we&#39;ll talk about later). In retrospect, I don&#39;t know what I was [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tz</title>
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		<dc:creator>tz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 00:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Members of rock bands - including those who rise to &quot;star&quot; status generally do auditions.  Does any musician hire on the basis of keywords on an resume?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Members of rock bands &#8211; including those who rise to &#8220;star&#8221; status generally do auditions.  Does any musician hire on the basis of keywords on an resume?</p>
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		<title>By: Links &#171; Beautiful Discovery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links &#171; Beautiful Discovery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 23:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gurus, Rockstars and Ninjas, Oh my! What&#8217;s more interesting is how much even programmers invest in these &#8220;ranks.&#8221; It&#8217;s clear that there&#8217;s real demand for more nuanced ranking within software engineering. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gurus, Rockstars and Ninjas, Oh my! What&#8217;s more interesting is how much even programmers invest in these &#8220;ranks.&#8221; It&#8217;s clear that there&#8217;s real demand for more nuanced ranking within software engineering. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Butcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 17:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the best job postings I&#039;ve seen in recent times was one posted on Palantir.net (http://palantir.net/blog/wanted-virtuosos-join-palantir-team). 

Instead of &quot;Rock Star,&quot; they chose &quot;Virtuoso&quot; as a metaphor. Why? Because a virtuoso has to have both tremendous individual skill and the ability to play expertly with others. A virtuoso is also not required to know everything (no guru illusion). Nor is there only one virtuoso in a symphony. In the ideal symphony, everyone is a virtuoso.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best job postings I&#8217;ve seen in recent times was one posted on Palantir.net (<a href="http://palantir.net/blog/wanted-virtuosos-join-palantir-team" rel="nofollow">http://palantir.net/blog/wanted-virtuosos-join-palantir-team</a>). </p>
<p>Instead of &#8220;Rock Star,&#8221; they chose &#8220;Virtuoso&#8221; as a metaphor. Why? Because a virtuoso has to have both tremendous individual skill and the ability to play expertly with others. A virtuoso is also not required to know everything (no guru illusion). Nor is there only one virtuoso in a symphony. In the ideal symphony, everyone is a virtuoso.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry M. Poulin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry M. Poulin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 13:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might I suggest replacing Guru, Rockstar, or Ninja with Hacker?  Not only would it be an interesting sight to be had on any typical job board, but the mayhem caused in HR is bound to be priceless :-D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I suggest replacing Guru, Rockstar, or Ninja with Hacker?  Not only would it be an interesting sight to be had on any typical job board, but the mayhem caused in HR is bound to be priceless <img src='http://codeanthem.latchbabies.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 19:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that comment was poorly edited. Fail on my part. Let&#039;s try that again:

Ha, I like the idea of being thought of as a web developer rockstar :) But maybe that just plays in to my secret fantasies about being an actual indie rocker (in my vision, I’m the cute bass player/backup vocalist… never mind that I can’t actually play guitar outside of a video game).

I do think that people have to have team skills, communication skills, and be able to funnel their ambitions towards the business’s purpose/profit, etc… someone who is simply a “rockstar developer” without having those things is a highly productive/efficient worker who ends up costing a company money (especially when they eventually leave and no one knows how to pick up where they left off). That said, the fundamentals of being a rockstar developer that you&#039;ve mentioned: the challenge, the drive, the emphasis on productivity and quality (over a 9-to-5 put-in-your-time mentality)… this is all near and dear to my own heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that comment was poorly edited. Fail on my part. Let&#8217;s try that again:</p>
<p>Ha, I like the idea of being thought of as a web developer rockstar <img src='http://codeanthem.latchbabies.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But maybe that just plays in to my secret fantasies about being an actual indie rocker (in my vision, I’m the cute bass player/backup vocalist… never mind that I can’t actually play guitar outside of a video game).</p>
<p>I do think that people have to have team skills, communication skills, and be able to funnel their ambitions towards the business’s purpose/profit, etc… someone who is simply a “rockstar developer” without having those things is a highly productive/efficient worker who ends up costing a company money (especially when they eventually leave and no one knows how to pick up where they left off). That said, the fundamentals of being a rockstar developer that you&#8217;ve mentioned: the challenge, the drive, the emphasis on productivity and quality (over a 9-to-5 put-in-your-time mentality)… this is all near and dear to my own heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 19:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, I like the idea of being thought of as a web developer rockstar :) But maybe that just plays in to my secret fantasies about being an actual indie rocker (in my vision, I&#039;m the cute bass player/backup vocalist... never mind that I can&#039;t actually play guitar outside of a video game).

I do think that people have to have team skills, communication skills, is able to funnel their ambitions towards the business&#039;s purpose/profit, etc... someone who is simply a &quot;rockstar developer&quot; without having those things is a highly productive/efficient worker who ends up costing a company money (especially when they eventually leave and no one knows how to pick up where they left off). That said, the fundamentals of being a rockstar developer: the challenge, the drive, the emphasis of productivity and quality (over a 9-to-5 put-in-your-time mentality)... this is all near and dear to my own heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, I like the idea of being thought of as a web developer rockstar <img src='http://codeanthem.latchbabies.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But maybe that just plays in to my secret fantasies about being an actual indie rocker (in my vision, I&#8217;m the cute bass player/backup vocalist&#8230; never mind that I can&#8217;t actually play guitar outside of a video game).</p>
<p>I do think that people have to have team skills, communication skills, is able to funnel their ambitions towards the business&#8217;s purpose/profit, etc&#8230; someone who is simply a &#8220;rockstar developer&#8221; without having those things is a highly productive/efficient worker who ends up costing a company money (especially when they eventually leave and no one knows how to pick up where they left off). That said, the fundamentals of being a rockstar developer: the challenge, the drive, the emphasis of productivity and quality (over a 9-to-5 put-in-your-time mentality)&#8230; this is all near and dear to my own heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 19:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael I see that you just opened shop on your blog - congrats!  

Candidates are generally looking at a sea of similar job post titles and don&#039;t have time to focus on all of them.  If a company wants to get their attention subtle it is not but it gets the job done.  

Another benefit would be that if they&#039;re looking for a &quot;superstar&quot; then I&#039;d expect their pay to match that skill expectation.  Nothing like spending time on a potential job that requires X years of experience, only to discover that they don&#039;t value that position much at all.

As far your complaints against a transient, superficial rockstar attitude, I can dig it.  Personally, though, I think I would tend to work harder and better if I get to be called a &quot;Java Rockstar&quot; rather than a &quot;Applications Engineer IV&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael I see that you just opened shop on your blog &#8211; congrats!  </p>
<p>Candidates are generally looking at a sea of similar job post titles and don&#8217;t have time to focus on all of them.  If a company wants to get their attention subtle it is not but it gets the job done.  </p>
<p>Another benefit would be that if they&#8217;re looking for a &#8220;superstar&#8221; then I&#8217;d expect their pay to match that skill expectation.  Nothing like spending time on a potential job that requires X years of experience, only to discover that they don&#8217;t value that position much at all.</p>
<p>As far your complaints against a transient, superficial rockstar attitude, I can dig it.  Personally, though, I think I would tend to work harder and better if I get to be called a &#8220;Java Rockstar&#8221; rather than a &#8220;Applications Engineer IV&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 19:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tz I think you&#039;re right, of course, that a programmer is more valuable at a company if he can communicate effectively with marketing, management, etc.  The trouble is that in the existing hiring funnel, only people with the best resumes, best cover letters and best behavior interviews make it through to the &quot;technical portion&quot;.  Even worse, many companies skip the &quot;technical portion&quot; or don&#039;t know how to do an effectiveness technical assessment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tz I think you&#8217;re right, of course, that a programmer is more valuable at a company if he can communicate effectively with marketing, management, etc.  The trouble is that in the existing hiring funnel, only people with the best resumes, best cover letters and best behavior interviews make it through to the &#8220;technical portion&#8221;.  Even worse, many companies skip the &#8220;technical portion&#8221; or don&#8217;t know how to do an effectiveness technical assessment.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael O. Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael O. Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 19:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My blog post was indeed long and ranting, and it was probably two essays that were mashed together, Paranoid Android style. I didn&#039;t expect that, 3 days later, it&#039;d be two clicks away from the Hacker News front page. 

I really admire the work that you&#039;re doing and the motivation of your project, and I wish you the best of luck. If you can fix the hiring process in software, you can add a lot of value and, if you even capture a small fraction of the value thus added, become very successful. 

My problem with the term &quot;rock star&quot; is the attitude that it reflects in society as a whole. It encourages a mentality of looking like a high performer rather than actually being one, which often involves making others more productive and making everyone succeed. Rockstarism is about our society&#039;s fetishism of transient individual success rather than long-term value creation. It&#039;s the general attitude-- not that a few people resort to using this terminology in job ads-- that I take issue with.  

Finding good programmers is very difficult. First, you have to be well-located. You need to be in a city with a good university of serious size, or you won&#039;t even get started. Second, tools and languages are big. Paul Graham writes of the &quot;Python Paradox&quot;. Jane Street Capital has a lot of incredibly talented people because it uses Ocaml; JSC practically *is* the New York ML job market. The traditional excuse for defaulting to Java is that it&#039;s standard and has a lot of libraries; but now that Clojure and Scala exist, if you want to use Java and be able to get good programmers, you should probably use one of those languages. 

To be frank, I would be turned off by a job ad asking for a &quot;rock star&quot;. It shows a lack of subtlety. You don&#039;t show that you&#039;re an elite company by screaming it; you show this by producing great products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My blog post was indeed long and ranting, and it was probably two essays that were mashed together, Paranoid Android style. I didn&#8217;t expect that, 3 days later, it&#8217;d be two clicks away from the Hacker News front page. </p>
<p>I really admire the work that you&#8217;re doing and the motivation of your project, and I wish you the best of luck. If you can fix the hiring process in software, you can add a lot of value and, if you even capture a small fraction of the value thus added, become very successful. </p>
<p>My problem with the term &#8220;rock star&#8221; is the attitude that it reflects in society as a whole. It encourages a mentality of looking like a high performer rather than actually being one, which often involves making others more productive and making everyone succeed. Rockstarism is about our society&#8217;s fetishism of transient individual success rather than long-term value creation. It&#8217;s the general attitude&#8211; not that a few people resort to using this terminology in job ads&#8211; that I take issue with.  </p>
<p>Finding good programmers is very difficult. First, you have to be well-located. You need to be in a city with a good university of serious size, or you won&#8217;t even get started. Second, tools and languages are big. Paul Graham writes of the &#8220;Python Paradox&#8221;. Jane Street Capital has a lot of incredibly talented people because it uses Ocaml; JSC practically *is* the New York ML job market. The traditional excuse for defaulting to Java is that it&#8217;s standard and has a lot of libraries; but now that Clojure and Scala exist, if you want to use Java and be able to get good programmers, you should probably use one of those languages. </p>
<p>To be frank, I would be turned off by a job ad asking for a &#8220;rock star&#8221;. It shows a lack of subtlety. You don&#8217;t show that you&#8217;re an elite company by screaming it; you show this by producing great products.</p>
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